Another TdF mountain stage has come and gone and we supporters find ourselves even more confused than before. Voeckler kept the yellow jersey and, in the finale, he was the only one who tried to follow Andy Schleck (don't get too excited, girls: he attacked with less than one km to go and gained just 2" on his main adversaries). Now I consider him a serious, serious, serious threat to the GC. Thomas is experienced, he has the strongest team of the race (I'm not kidding: Rolland is the helper that every GC contender would love to have amongst their teammates) and his TT skills aren't that bad. Moreover, he's terribly determined, especially because the last Frenchman to win the Tour was Bernard Hinault in 1985. Considering how Thomas is doing, I think he can keep the jersey without problems until next Thursday. And who knows what will happen if he manages to keep the maillot jaune on that day?
Seriously, people need to watch out for the Europcar rider.Today's stage actually started in a good way. I was eager to see some changes in the GC and LT was determined to make the race hard. 24 riders went on a breakaway (amongst them there were Voigt, Gerdemann, Riblon, Casar, LL Sanchez, Chavanel and Izagirre), whereas O'Grady pulled on the second climb du jour. Then Cancellara pulled hard between the penultimate and the last climbs of the day, so that the breakaways soon lost every chance of succeeding. Finally, we were ready to witness a good show.
With 11 kms to go, the first attack: Andy Schleck, after that his teammates pulled for him, attacked twice. Basso and Cunego, who can't stand the sudden changes of tempo while climbing, got temporarily dropped. Nicolas Roche had already got dropped on Col d'Agnes, whereas Martin had already said 'Adieu!' to the group of the yellow jersey. However, the two Italians didn't panick as they lost contact and they kept climbing at their own pace. In that way, they soon managed to join the group of the best climbers again. Then it was Frank Schleck's turn to attack and his action was followed by the one of Andy. The Italian couple got dropped again, but then Basso joined the brothers and all the other GC contenders for the second time. And, this time, Ivan set the pace at the front of the little group, thus making sure that no one could attack.
With about 5 kms to go, the one who attacked was Jelle Vanendert, who soon got a gap of 40" on his chasers. Samu Sanchez tried to follow him and escaped from the group too. As Jelle was riding towards his most prestigious victory, the chasers seemed to slow down a while. Then an attack by Evans caused Cunego (who had 'yo-yoed' successfully until that moment) to get dropped. Together with Damiano, the other rider who had some problems because of Evans' move was Frank Schleck. And so, in one moment, everyone understood everything: Andy had stopped his strong attacks because Frank wasn't feeling fine. A noble gesture, that's for sure, but not the gesture that one needs to do for winning the Tour de France.
As Frank slowly managed to get back on the group of Voeckler and Cunego got definitely dropped, Vanendert took the victory atop Plateau de Beille, whereas Sanchez took the second place. Jelle and Samuel, the magic couple of the Pyrenées.
The GC riders kept on looking at each other until they reached the final km, where Andy Schleck decided to launch a very strong attack. Too bad that attacking with just 1 km to go is never very very useful and, in fact, OGL got just 2" of advantage on his main advesaries. The only ones who actually suffered today's stage were Roche and Cunego, whereas the other ones (if we don't consider Frankie) apparently didn't have any problem.
So, what can we say about today's stage? Well, I'll tell you how my mood changed in the last 3 hours. Before the stage I was happy, excited, eager to know who would have won on such a great climb like Plateau de Beille. After the stage, all I got was a thousandth of critics from my familiars. 'And you like the Schleck brothers?', my uncle asked me as soon as the stage ended. 'How can you like them? I mean, they're so in love with each other that they never attack when one of them doesn't feel fine. And if one of them attacks and manages to get a little gap on the others, the other one can't attack because his brother is at the front. What game are they playing at?' If this wasn't enough, also my dad started to criticise the behaviour of the Schleck brothers. 'They can't win the Tour if they keep on riding this way! They must understand that, if they can't reach the two top spots of the podium, they should understand who the strongest of them is and try to get the victory anyway!!', he told me. Actually, writing 'he told me' doesn't convey the way in which he, my uncle and my grandfather spoke to me this afternoon. In fact, as soon as the stage was over (and before I could hide myself in the bathroom, pretending I was showering), my 3 loved relatives were all in the living room, shouting at me as if I were the owner of Leopard Trek or the ds of the Schleck brothers. 'You should tell them that they can't race in that way!' Oh, yes, of course I should tell them, wait a moment and I call them on the phone... Really, arguing with the 3 cycling lovers of the family after such a disappointing stage wasn't fun. Especially because I had to admit that, in spite of everything, their critics aren't totally senseless.
Let's start from the beginning. First of all, I must admit that today's stage was much better than the one to Luz Ardiden. Both los Schlecks attacked (although they never looked very convinced of what they were doing) and LT tried to work at the front. Unfortunately, the truth is that LT isn't the strongest team in this Tour and, once again (also thanks to the crashes of Jens Voigt), los Schlecks found themselves all alone at the beginning of the last climb. This is the first GT for LT, but I think the team ds need some new riders for next year. Because, this afternoon, the efforts of the team didn't actually have any serious consequence as far as the GC fight is concerned.
As far as the brothers are concerned, instead, I have a serious and complex point to make. Basing myself on what I saw about a hour ago, I think that we can say that Andy this afternoon didn't give it all because Frank wasn't at his best. And this reminds me of what the late Laurent Fignon once said about the brothers. 'Frank is a brake to Andy'. A sentence that, from the human point of view, sounds very harsh but that, from the sportive points of view (*takes a big breathe before being hanged, drawned and quartered by her readers*) may be true. Especially after today, I'm really, really afraid it is true.
Andy is in a great shape. He showed that with his attacks and he's probably the best climber of this Tour. Frank is in a very good shape too, but this afternoon it seemed that he was on a bad day. That's why Andy waited for him, that's why Andy didn't attack. And that's why, this afternoon, the brothers were a brake to each other rather than an advantage. Considering that none of them is good at time trialing and that the hard stages in the next week aren't many (tomorrow, although it is Sunday, the Tour organisers have decided to offer us a ridicolous flat stage), the brothers shouldn't waste opportunities like this. Does this mean that they have to race against one another? Does this mean that one of them has to become a helper? The answer is in the legs (and in the hearts) of the boys. Frank is older than Andy and, probably, less regular. Andy is stronger but he'd like to help his brother winning the Tour. Unfortunately, the adversaries often take advantage of this fact, as it happened also in Tour 2009.
Imo, a possible solution would be making the brothers take part in two different GTs. Or, better: Frank could peak in May and race the Giro as a captain; then, he could go to the Tour as a magnificient helper for his little bro. Andy, instead, could race the Giro as a helper for Frank and the Tour as a captain. Perhaps, it would be worth trying.

ok ....happy to know my mood is the same of many other people...seriously..I m worried...my dad too doesn't like schleck bros...and the worst aspect of this deed is that this time I cannot defend them..and I canno defend me from my parent's disappointment...I mean.I really hope it won't be so..but if Andy shouldn't manage to win this year too..today stage would be one of the causes of the defeat..once again a banal error and not the bad shape...they say "errare umanum est, perseverare biabolicum" if can remember the right quote!I can remember an interview of mario Cipollini on BiciSport of some mounths ago...He said he had some doubts about Andy: a good rider..ok...but he just showed to be good following...not yet to be good making the race...really my heart cries writing these words..'coz I like Andy that much...but what could I say?...maybe , as Leopard official press does, that everything today was ok...that the team was strong exc exc exc...no this time I can't.. Andy is 26 years old and he must choose what he want from his life..to be a pro rider or not..I mean...I guess frank would have loved him the same even if he'd attacked...their brotherhood cannot be influenced by a race...but a race can be influenced by their brotherhood....and racing is what Andy is able to do...what makes Ady who he is..I can't image what would happen in his mind if he did 2th again...thinkin' about what haopened last year..Andy is risking not separating these two aspect of his life...he s riskin' as racer...as man...ok fede, we should get the phone and call him!!!!claudia
RispondiEliminaI couldn't have expressed my own feelings (and my own ideas) better, dear.
RispondiEliminaI'm often harsh on the brothers, but I always try to defend them from my relatives' critics because, believe it or not, they're my favourite riders. But this afternoon, defending them was impossible.
I spent the whole ascent to Plateau de Beille wondering what was wrong with the brothers and thinking about Fignon's words ('Frank is a brake to Andy'). At the time (two years ago) I had thought they were senseless, but now they've assumed a very precise meaning. Interviewed about them two years ago, Andy had said that Fignon was wrong, but I'd love to know what he thinks of them right now.
Andy probably thinks that he must help Frank in his attempt of winning the Tour because, after all, Frank is older than him. Unfortunately Andy is 26 and so far he's never won a GT. On the other hand, at 26 Contador (the man who is always compared with Andy) had already won the Tour and the Giro.
Imo OGL needs to focus just on himself to win a race as demanding as the Tour. He must understand that, if Frank doesn't feel fine, he must find the strength to go on riding without him.
As you say, their brotherhood won't be influenced by this. And, as I suggested, to find a solution to this problem they could focus on different GTs and peak at different times of the year - that would surely make things easier for the brothers (and for their supporters).
As far as Cipollini's words are concerned, I don't actually agree that much about them. In fact I think that Andy can be good at leading a race and that he showed that last year at the Tour, when he wore the yellow jersey.
I think that Andy must understand what he really wants to do in this Tour by talking sincerely with Frank. If this year he ends up 2nd again, I'm worried about the way people would start behaving with him. I think we all remember what people thought of Evans before he won the Worlds: they considered him a loser, a bad rider, a wheelsucker... And I'm sure that Cadel really suffered from that.
Really, the brothers need to talk their positions in the team over this evening in order to try winning this race and stop the critics.
As far as LT press is concerned, it's their job trying to make things look as if they had gone perfectly for the team. Hopefully, the team's ds are more honest than their prs and will ask the brothers what was wrong with them this afternoon.
Dearest Fede, I didn't come to your blog for a week or so, because I couldn't find the time.
RispondiEliminaTonight I couldn't escape it anymore and I got what I expected: an almost complete confirmation of my thoughts. Ohohohoh.
Just imagine this podium: Voeckler, Evans, Sanchez!!!
Only one hope rests, the Alps. Those mountains are about 1000 meters higher and not all bodies can cope with that.
Never seen such a weird, weird TdF. And now we have to wait till Thursday for a could be change.
I never felt so down during TdF as now. But, it's so easy to comment from a chair....
Hey gang!
RispondiEliminaYes, didn't it feel as though it was "Frankie + Andy V Contador" at the end, with no thought for Evans, Voeckler, Sanchez etc.
Here's a thought: two years ago, Andy, with Frankie supporting him, was second by 4 minutes or so. Last year, when Andy lost Frankie part way through the race, he rode like a tiger and was second by 39 seconds.
I'd love to see one or other or both of them on the podium, but I'm starting to think that we might have to wait until next year...
Enjoy the racing today, and Fede, I hope it wasn't too upsetting to have your family shouting at you - poor you. (*sends big warm virtual hug*)
Coug
I totally agree with you Fede. I was so excited to watch the stage. I was glued to the t.v awaiting to see the serious contenders for the gc. After it I was so confused and despondent. I mean what the heck is happening!This is stage 14 dudes- time is running out.
RispondiEliminaVoeckler is a serious candidate for 1st ( and Andy pissed me off for some reason when he yelled at Voeckler to take the lead during the last few kms). I mean here is Voeckler hanging on and going with every attack when none of those guys consider/ considered him a risk. I also agree his team is outstanding and Schleckies should acknowledge that the Eurocar team has led the peloton for so many stages whereas the others teams have sat back in the peleton. Voecklers teammate is phenomenal as well. I bet there are a number of teams desperate to sign him.
Mind you my hubbie keeps annoying me saying Voeckler shouldn't be where he is as should have been penalised for when the crashes happened and the peloton neutralised. I keep telling him to get back to **** and not comment on the TDF ( he also gives me a hard time about the Schlecks).
I think Andy kept attacking to tire the riders and then allow Frankie to go the break and drop everyone. The only problem was that Frankie was stuffed. Each attack that Andy did just destroyed Frankie even more. I think Andy could have got the break and dropped the lot (he looked in great form) but no he had to wait for bro. They need to ride for themself or neither will win a TDF and to me thats how its looking. Papa Schleck needs to take them aside and tell them to ride for themself or they are never coming home again ( or beat their heads togeter to knock some bloody sense into them)!!Theres bro love and theres stupidity and to me they are the latter.
Barbara I agree totally. Sanchez is just going to slip through, cadel actually attacked which shows he must be in terrific form, and Voeckler is hanging in comfortably. I also think that there is a great chance that Conti is going under the radar so they will think he is not a contender and then will annihilate them in the alps. And do you know what- I kind of (shoot me I know) hope he does because Schleckies are being dumb.
I am sorry for my negative/emotive response from my comfy chair in Oz but this TDF is really starting to suck for this Schleck fan! Jen
I got your point and I can't tell you it's premature to worry; I have the feeling that if Andy doesn't win this Tour he will never win one.
RispondiEliminaThis is my two cents, borrowed from my BF expertise: nobody is taking Basso seriously (which it's quite understandable); nobody is taking Evans seriously and Evans fears everyone, he needs only to control Bertie and los Schlecks wheels; Voeckler was more cold blooded than Evans; despite all his samba when up in the bike Bertie has an easiness of pedalling which worries; los Schlecks are good and most likely in shape, but they are really afraid of doing an attack fearing Bertie's reaction (for the Italian speakers there's a bit rude idiomatic expression that better conveys the point), and sometimes (usually when it matters) they are incompetent in reading a race or tactics; still I don't think yesterday was Frank's fault, Andy could have attacked little sooner while Frank held his soul with the teeth like Basso and Evans did all the time, Andy would have get more seconds than his brother's loss.
I also have the impression last year Andy was racing with more grit, I want to see that soon :-)
Francesca
Ps: Now you know why the stage was sheer suffering! I root for Frandy and I want them to shine!
Everything I wanted to comment is already said.
RispondiEliminaPoor Stuart O'Grady was pulling at the front all day and then the Schlecks arrive at the bottom of the climb and nothing happens.
I have to add that poor Fuglsang is having serious problems with his back and hips so he has the power in his legs but it won't come out. If he didn't have this, he would have been up there, for sure.
Luckily, my dad turned in to a Belgian and was too excited to have a discussion with me about the bad Schlecks.
I was yelling at my mom, who doesn't understand a thing about cycling at all, about how stupid this was... She was looking at me like, geez, calm down...
Maybe we should calm down. Wait for the alps. I mean, they are professionals. They should know.
LT always writes way too positive stuff on their website, but I'm sure they are thinking about todays stage too.
For the sake of accuracy I read what is written in LT website and it irks me a bit, if you just read their news it seems another race entirely. I'm starting missing Bjarne :P
RispondiEliminaFrancesca
I love them, but I find it annoying that they criticize the other riders for not attacking. I understand the thinking/reasoning behind it, but at the same time, I also see the other riders as playing a good strategy...*sigh* hopefully the Alps will be better.
RispondiEliminaInteresting post, Fede. I think Laurent Fignon had a point when he said that Fränk is a brake to Andy. If Andy wants to win the Tour, he can't wait for Fränk.. I'm curious what will happen in the Alps and I'm very much looking forward to that :-) I hope they will be more exciting than the Pyrenees, although I loved the fact that Jelle Vanendert won a stage.. just wonderful :D
RispondiEliminaThis is a very, very sad day for all the ladies of the AAVL. I still had hope, now I'm lost for words.
RispondiElimina"Alexandre Vinokourov, 37, confirms retirement as a pro cyclist. (FranceTV/AFP)"
:'(
Agree with so much that's being shared here. For starters, if the favorites don't stop marking each other instead of attacking and accelerating, the underdogs will take the podium. And I hate to express it, because I love Frankie and am fond of their brotherly bond (ha! unintentional rhyme!), but right now Frank is Andy's Achilles heel. Andy finally looks strong. He's attacking, but then clearly slowing down to look for Frank. Are they really that afraid of Contador? It's not clear. All I know is that it's painful to watch such a talent let chances slip away.
RispondiEliminaOK, this comment might come across as more dramatic than intended. Emotions are high right now, n'est pas? :p All is not lost. There's still the Alps, but something needs to change. :)
I'm relieved to see that I wasn't the only one who got worried after yesterday's stage. I think that none of us had fun while watching it and that none of us had fun writing these critics.
RispondiEliminaI often criticise the Schleck brothers because I think they're two of the best riders out there and, when I see them losing races because of things that I consider mistakes, I really get angry. Imo, in fact, their results don't actually reflect their true value and this really annoys me.
Unfortunately, in this Tour it seems that los Schlecks aren't paying a lot of attention to the critics of supporters, journalists and colleagues. And, unfortunately, it also seems they're creating 'enemies' inside the peloton. In fact yesterday (as @ Anonimo pointed out) the brothers criticised the other riders for not attacking on the last climb. But, after all, who should have attacked? Evans, who is the only one who doesn't need to attack to win this Tour? Voeckler, who was fighting hard to keep the pace of the other riders? Contador, who still isn't in a great form?
Basso did try to increase the tempo on the last climb, but he couldn't make it on his own. And, after the stage, the Italian rider himself criticised the brothers for not having helped him by taking turns at the front when he was pulling.
Also Evans got angry at the Schlecks, because Andy asked him to pull in order to chase Sanchez. And Cadel, who has a good time gap on Samu, said that he wouldn't have pulled because he didn't want to waste energy for chasing a guy who didn't bother him in the GC.
Really, the brothers worry me!
And as if that wasn't enough, yesterday Cancellara asked the Tour director whether LT could use a private helicopter to face the long transfer from Plateau de Beille to their hotel. The Tour director didn't give his permission, because he said that it wouldn't have been fair towards the others team, who don't have as much money as LT. This is a little anedocte, but I don't think it helped the guys to feel more loved inside the peloton... Seriously, I'm a worried fangirl, although I must admit that, as @ Natasha wrote, the emotions right now are very high - and, when they're so high, my brain actually has more problems than usual ;)
Luckily, the Alps are still waiting for s, and right now we must rely just on those climbs. Holy Galibier, save us!!
@ Barbara: You're right, criticising someone from a chair is always very easy but, imo, there are two different kinds of critics: those who come from people who'd like to make you get better, and those who come from guys who just want to annoy you. Hopefully, the Schlecks will consider the critics coming from their supporters as good critics.
On the other hand, unfortunately, it's true that there are also critics made by people who just manage to sound rude when they express their opinions. For example, an Italian journalist yesterday wrote: 'If Andy Schleck had the mental faculties of a normal rider, he would be one of the best cyclists of the world'. I felt so outraged by those words! After all, Andy (and Frank) are human beings too! There's a difference between criticising someone and saying that they're less intelligent than most of their colleagues!
A podium formed by Voeckler, Evans and Sanchez? Ouch! I mean, I like Voeckler and I'd love to see him on the podium of Paris (he'd deserve it), but a podium without any of the Schleck brothers would be a bad blow for me (and for everyone of us, I think).
In the Alps there should be some changes in the GC, although the hard stages are just two: the Galibier one and the Alpe d'Huez one. Hopefully the guys will consider also the stage to Pinerolo as an important one. Otherwise, two hard stages may not be enough to win this Tour.
@ Coug (*sends a big hug and a big thank you*): That thought of yours is really scary. And it gets even worse if I add another one. Liége 2008: Frank 3rd, Andy 4th. Liége 2009 (in which Andy was the only team leader because Frank had crashed badly in Amstel Gold Race): Andy 1st, Frank 7th.
RispondiEliminaSeriously, those numbers are worrying.
I'd love to see at least one of the bros on the podium too and I don't want to know what will happen to them if they don't make it. If Andy eventually gets a 4th placement (*cold sivers run down her spine*), he, Frank and the whole team would have to bear thousandth of critics. Seriously, the boys need to do something.
The fight going on in my family was pretty tough yesterday evening. My uncle started shouting at me in the living room, then my father arrived and, rather than helping me, he started to shout at me too. Then it was my grandfather's turn and, in the end, my mother put the icing on the cake while by shouting at me while we were dining. It was a very surreal evening, since everyone was angry at ME because the SCHLECKS hadn't attacked. Apparently, they think I have the secret power of influencing LT's tactics. Pfew.
Another thing that annoyed me a lot yesterday evening is the way in which my relatives behaved: I kept on shouting back at them, saying that I agreed with their critics, but they kept on screaming at me anyway. It was so annoying!
@ Jen: Voeckler and his team have been amazing so far, now he can really make it to the final podium!
The brothers have always said that they're each other's best friend, so they shouldn't have problems in putting their bond apart and race as if they were captain and helper! Even racing as a captain and as a protected rider wouldn't be bad: one attacks and then he keeps on attacking. If his brother follows him, the better. Otherwise, from the following stage the 'weaker' brother will help the stronger. Really, it sounds as simple as that!
Everything but not a Contador's victory! Seriously, that would be terrible for the morale of the brothers and of this poor blogger.
Unfortunately, I think Alberto will feel much better next week and so I'm afraid he may actually manage to win the Tour with just one attack. If SB takes the lead on a climb next week, we'll have to get ready for the worst.
Right now I hope to see one Schleck, Basso and Voeckler on the podium. Although, considering how the brothers raced yesterday, I think a podium featuring Evans rather than a Luxembourgian could be more fair :(
@ Francesca: It's good to see that I'm not the only one who has the (insane?) desire of seeing good old Bjarne as ds of the Schleck brothers!
RispondiElimina'The climb wasn't hard enough or steep enough. It wasn’t possible to make a gap even though I tried several times' (Andy's words about yesterday's stage). If you want steeper climbs, you should come to the Giro, dear. And how come that guys like Basso, Armstrong and Pantani all managed to make the difference on Plateau de Beille? (saying that they were doped doesn't make any sense, especially because also some of the guys who were dropped on those occasions were on drugs).
Seriously, I can't stand the sight of LT's website anymore. They always write so many b********! Moreover, they make things sound as if they could never get anything wrong. So annoying!
I completely agree with your analysis of the race although, as far as Andy is concerned, I think that none of us can be sure of why he didn't attack yesterday. For example, I don't know if he actually fears Contador so much to be unable to attack when he's with him. I mean, on Thursday Andy looked almost frozen on his bike and everyone could see that he was worried by Alberto. But yesterday it looked as if all the grit was gone, it looked as if Andy was Frank's helper, it looked as if he was sacrificing his big chance to gain time for his brother...Seriously, it was a terrible thing to see.
I don't have anything against Frank (actually, I like him more than Andy), especially because I'm sure that he doesn't want Andy to lose this Tour because of him.
Unfortunately, yesterday Frank's presence in the leader group seemed to influence Andy in a very strong way. Imo one can see that, when he races, Andy keeps on looking for his brother. When Frank races, instead, I have the feeling that he cares about Andy, but that he doesn't let his love for Andy prevent him from getting good results. And imo this is the right attitude that both the brothers should keep in the races.
Hopefully in the Alps Frank will have great days and will manage to launch great attacks together with his brother, so that they can gain a lot of time together and prove that we're getting worried for stupid reasons.
Imo the brothers must understand that the time to save energy is gone, now all they have to do is giving it all until next Sunday. Then, they'll be able to relax as long as they want.
@ Mar: Thank you so much for the info about Jakob! The Italian chronists never mentioned anything about his health problems, so I was afraid (especially after yesterday) that he wasn't in a good shape. Glad to know that I was wrong.
I hope you're right about LT. I mean, Andersen is an experienced ds, he should know what he's doing... And the same worths for his riders. I so hope that holy Galibier will save us all!
Ahah, I bet your mother is hoping for some attacks on the Alps too now! ;) And you were lucky that your father transformed himself in a Belgian, mine looked like an angry Luxembourgian right after the stage!
@ Anonimo: I agree with you. The Schlecks (and Basso) are the only ones who need to attack in this Tour. Contador should attack too, but imo he's waiting for the right moment in order to launch a dreadful attack that could change the whole GC. The other cyclists (Evans, Voeckler, Rolland, Péraud...) couldn't help the brothers yesterday and criticising their behaviour isn't just useless - it may also create some enemies.
RispondiElimina@ Marleen: Imo, to exploit their full potential the brothers should be the captains of their teams in two different GTs, as they were forced to do last year. Andy races the Tour as captain, Frank races the Giro as captain and then goes to the Tour as helper. I think this plan should work...
Los Schlecks had always said that the Alps would have decided the winner of the Tour, but I expected them to do something more on the Pyrenées. Now all we can do is waiting for the Galibier!
Vinokourov... That news hasn't sank over yet, everything seems sounreal! An Italian website titled its post about yesterday's stage as: 'We want Vino!' - and now, here comes this news. Alexander (it feels strange to call him with his name) didn't deserve this. Love him or hate him, one cannot deny that he was a very original rider and that he had a great charisma. He was also very intelligent and, with him in the race, I'm sure that yesterday's stage would have been much better. And to say that I thought he could have won the Worlds this year... Stupid crashes, stupid curves and stupid trees! (ok, I'm exaggerating)
Vino, we girls of the AAVL will miss you so much!!! (*cries anonymously as she types this*) :'(
@ Natasha: I completely agree with everything you said. 'All I know is that it's painful to watch such a talent let chances slip away': you managed to convey my feelings perfectly with just one sentence, chapeau!
I'm afraid that right now all our comments are coming across as dramatic. But still, it would be useless to try to hide our feelings. Hopefully, in a few days time we'll look back on this post and think that we wrote ridicolous things - but, until I don't see a Schleck climbing a podium spot in Paris, my emotions will remain this high :P
Fede, I can't really add anything constructive to this discussion (when have I ever added anything constructive to a cycling discussion?) but watching stage 14 with my parents yesterday, I finally just ran out of excuses for Andy--it was like sitting through a longer, more torturous version of Liege-Bastogne-Liege. I kept expecting some spectacular acceleration, but nothing happened.
RispondiEliminaIn fairness, I do think Andy genuinely tried to drop some of the other GC contenders yesterday--they just responded well.
I am getting a little weary of Voeckler's self-deprecating claims, that he can't hang on to the maillot jaune for much longer. He seems to be stubbornly hanging on to it, for one who has no hope:
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/43786212/ns/sports-cycling/
Phil Liggett, MBE, and Paul Sherwen did say it would be difficult to wrest the maillot jaune away from Thomas. Moreover, they haven't managed to solve the riddle of Cadel Evans yet, and I don't think letting Sanchez go in the last few kms of every mountain stage, shows very much foresight either. It seems like such a waste of their teammates' incredible efforts as well--Stuart, and Jens pushed themselves so hard at the front these last few stages, just to give Andy, and Frank, some kind of advantage. And to be quite blunt, Jakob Fuglsang is too good a cyclist to be a domestique to Andy, and Frank forever. I just feel that if they don't pull the trigger now, with the kind of support they're receiving, when are they ever going to win? Jens is retiring after all.
Voeckler in yellow in Paris? I'm going to have a lot of nice pictures... of Versailles! :\
Oh dear girls, 24 h later anger is vanishing and things are about to appear more clearly…ok yesterday not that mess happened…there are still Alps and LT team has always been convinced those stages will be decisive…but some reflections to end up the story:
RispondiEliminaI m sill worried about OGL’s future ‘coz of thing like this -this website really exaggerated- painting Andy as an idiot - …as Fede said, –referring to Cadel Evans- this kind of judgments could become very usual in cyclingword. Than, I also agree with Fede about the strong effects this tour will have on Andy’s career : tour 2011 will mark the winner between Andy and those 39’’…’coz, notwithstanding what Andy says in interviews, that wound is already open: his continuous attention to Contador is kinda obsessive and go beyond pure tactics. Now is the time for him to demonstrate something to the word around but to the group too: hopefully just an impression but the Schlecks seem not to be so much respected in the bunch..I often read some ugly comment –starting from Spa stage- about the so called “schleckettes”…
@ Francesca: I do not miss BR but sometimes I m worried about the atmosphere that seems to surround LT..I underline “that seems”. Schleck bros keep an high position into team’s hierarchy ‘coz they do not managed finances but they are the ones thanks to which the Luxemburgish team exists..they chose the man they wanted and sometimes it could be a danger: sometimes someone who get strong decisions –as it could be to decide to separate the bros makin’ them racing in different races - could help; I can remember that tale where there was a king ..and nobody brave enough to tell him he was getting wrong.. “The Emperor's New Clothes” by Andersen I guess! (just) In these terms I miss BR!
@ Fede: interesting observation about brotherhood : frank does not behave the same while attacking: he does not care about Andy…maybe ‘coz he know he s weaker then him..so he knows he won’t damage Andy looking to the CG …but I often ask myself why Andy behaves like that?? I think there is a quiet important observation to make about the deed: I can remember an interview , made in 2007 or 2008 season , where he said that when a race would have become a reason to put he and his bro the one against the other..it would have been the right moment to stop cycling…and they made the promise to Johnny; andy always said that real life is more important than a bike...now it s kinda like a crossroads comes in his way : the game has now become too much important to consider it just a game but there is that promise. he can’t stop cycling but he can’t allow cycling to be that important to break the promise and to be considered real life .A choice is quiet urgent. Just one thing is clear: we all miss the brave guy who replied to Mr Armstrog when he was just 19 years old and we just want him to race bravely as brave was that wonderful quote –“I don’t dream my life, I live my dream”- he carried on his bike in 2010 Tour!C’mon girls!! Let’s cheer !
PS whooooaaa I can’ t wait to read my piece in inglish..i can’t image how it sounds thanks fede!!
Claudia
Maybe we all should bring a (virtual) pledge to holy Galibier.
RispondiEliminaMaybe brothers should understand that going for themselves, doesn't mean going against each other.
Maybe it's a father's job to set his sons free.
Yesterday the sometimes gossipy journalist Alessandra De Stefano talked heartily about the Schleck brothers. She repeated almost verbatim our worries (does she read this blog?) and she said something I didn't know, bear with me if I repeat the obvious: while the other riders have a contract each, which is normal, the brothers have one contract for both and the amount covers both; how they share the money it's nobody's business but them.
RispondiEliminaMy first thought was a renewed respect for the bros, because I think it's extremely noble to put family first in spite of all the unforgiving pressure of everyone else, sponsors, team, supporters and journalists ready to call them the biggest losers of all cycledom. Maybe Andy and Frank care only to win together and sacrificing the other is not ok for them; after all cycling is just a part of life, brotherhood exists before and after it; if you say that family is important to you this is just consistency and I appreciate that very much.
My cynical afterthought was that it's all good and dandy if his family is not taking advantage of Andy's kindness and good heart and feelings to the point of "circumvention of an incapable". I'm saying it too much bluntly than I really feel, I don't mean it in any offensive way, I'm trying to explain the feeling that I got. What if his going to regret these moments? Is he wasting the shape of a lifetime? The opportunity of a lifetime?
I think too much on restday.
Francesca
And about their complaints, they shouldn't whine so much. Racers are there to bring grist to their own mill, not Frank and Andy's. One can't say Cadel is wrong in saying "I'm not here to tow you to Paris".
RispondiEliminaFrancesca
@ Figbash: if on Saturday Andy hoped to drop the other guys with those attacks, imo we have to worry :P
RispondiEliminaTo me, the other day it looked as if OGL was lacking of determination and of grit. He would attack and then he would immediately turn his head, as if he had fun while watching his adversaries chasing him. So annoying! When someone attacks in a serious way, they just push hard on the pedals without looking behind them!
LOL at the last line of your comment!
Something suggests me that you aren't fond of Voeckler ;)
I must admit that I considered Thomas a 'neutral' rider until a few days ago, athough now he is really growing on me! Now I even hope that he will make it to the podium!
I think that T Blanc said that he has no chances of winning the Tour ("not in this life, at least") because of scaramantic reasons. He's too stubborn to give in without fighting ;)
I don't think that LT is giving the best possible support to Andy and Frank.
I have no doubts about the fact that the guys are giving everything they have to help their team leaders, but unfortunately Jakob's health problems are damaging the whole team. Moreover, Gerdemann and Monfort's shape doesn't look that great to me (hopefully they'll prove me wrong in a few days time!)
Imo, Leopard lacks a team helper like Szmyd: someone who can remain with the leaders until the end and then get them dropped with some long pulls at the front.
@ Barbara: I completely agree with everything you said :)
Girls, let's all go on a pilgrimage to holy Galibier - and remember, wear very warm clothes during it (apparently, this afternoon it snowed on Galibier and the fireguards had to save some tourists who showed signs of hypotermia)!
@ Claudia: You're right: now that anger has vanished, things look brighter. But still, I don't want the brothers to repeat the same mistakes that they made the other day ;)
RispondiEliminaA thing that surprised me in this discussion about the brothers is that, although we're Schleck supporters, we were all pretty disappointed and angry at them. And, given that we were so angry, I wonder how other people felt on Saturday evening :S
I agree with you about Andy's attention for Contador. It seems that last year Tour left a deep scar in Andy's mind!
I don't know if the Schlecks are respected or not in the peloton, but I'm afraid that a guy like Contador is much better than them at creating allies. Criticising the other GC contenders the other day wasn't a smart move at all... Also the Spa stage of the last Tour created some protests against the brothers and I'm sure that in the peloton people were surprised by how things went between los Schlecks and Bjarne. It is just an impression, but I fear that the brothers aren't the most loved guys in the peloton :(
Andy's behaviour is a mistery to everyone. I must thank you for reminding me that promise, I had forgotten about it! That could be an explanation, although perhaps it isn't the only one.
In a certain way, I think that Andy (who has become a pro also thanks to Frank, who has always been considered the most talented rider of his family, who is 5 years younger than Frank) feels that he must help Frank in making his dream (winning the Tour) come true.
Andy probably thinks that, given that Frank is already 31 and that he is just 26, he has plenty of time for winning the Tour after helping his brother to succeed in that very same race.
Andy loves Frank and he'd like to show the world that even his brother has what it takes to be a champion. Moreover, OGL knows that Frank had a tough time while trying to become a pro (he had to go living in Italy, he was considered useless by many French ds, he had almost given up the sport in order to keep on studying at university...) whereas, thanks to Big Bro, Andy could join CSC in a really easy way.
Perhaps Andy thinks that helping Frank in the Tour is a way to pay him back for all the sacrifices he made when he was younger and that's why he keeps on looking for him during the races. This is very noble, but unfortunately it isn't the best strategy ever :S
@ Francesca: I completely agree with you about the brothers complaining too much. Seriously, that isn't a positive attitude for people who'd like to create themselves friends amongst their colleagues...
I also heard De Stefano talking about the brothers the other day. And that contract thing surprised me as well.
Your doubts are extremely understandable and I just love that the brothers care so much about their relationship.
If Frank got more money from their contract, however, I think that it isn't just for cynical reasons. After all, it could be explained by the fact that Frankie has a daughter and a wife - Andy, on the other hand, needs money just for himself. Moreover, Little Bro receives lots of money from his different sponsors, whereas Frankie doesn't seem to have so many sponsorship contracts outside Luxembourg...
Just a short thing about Voeckler:
RispondiEliminaI read (probably on Cyclingnews) that Flecha said that after his and Johnny Hoogerland's crash, Voeckler did not even slow down for a second but just accelerated and that the day after all the other riders came to him (Flecha) to ask how he was doing. All of them, except Voeckler.....
Barbara, I noticed that Voeckler looked back after the car hit Flecha, and Hoogerland--he simply shook his head, and pedalled onwards. Now I realise it is the Tour, but surely, as a fellow human being, he should have stopped to see if they were alright. Apparently he neutralised the pace a few kilometres later, but only after he had served his own interests first.
RispondiEliminaOne of the things I admire about Andy, is that after the horrendous crash that took out Vinokourov, Van den Broeck, and Zabriskie, I saw him making visible gesticulations / hand gestures to neutralise the peloton straightaway.
Fede, it's not secret that I don't like Thomas--I haven't been a fan since his last-minute acceleration at the first Pro-Tour race in Quebec City, last year. I feel like he sat back the whole day, and let riders like Fuglsang, Gesink, and Hesjedal do all the work, before attacking.
I also noticed during stage 14, that he only counter-attacked Andy's accelerations, and not Basso, Vanendert, or Sanchez'--why not? Because they are so far down the GC, that they are no threat to him? Whatever his strategy / modus operandi, he is getting on my nerves!
Yes, it might be nice for the French to see one of their countrymen win the Tour again, but if I am completely honest with myself, it is Andy I want to see in yellow. *cringes* Yikes, I think I am being too honest here; I feel exposed! :P
About Andy's constant looking back. I missed parts of the stage running errands, and my father, who was home, made this observation:
"This Andy guy, he's a bit of a joker isn't he? He keeps pedalling away, and looking back, like he's toying with his opponents."
I sharply disagreed with my father, until I watched a replay of the stage later that day. I have now dubbed Andy's condition / disease as "Crane-a-Neck-Schleck".
16.50 p.m Gap this time LP website CAN T TELL US EVERYTHING' S OK!!!MY GOD!!
RispondiEliminaClaudia
Oh no, of course they can't! Although, actually, the website did its best to make it look as if the Schlecks were just unlucky this afternoon. In fact, by reading what people wrote there, one has the feeling that the brothers lost time just because of the descent and of the rainy weather - although, in reality, they had delay of 30" already at the end of the last climb. Moreover, the Schlecks aren't the only ones who hate the rain!
RispondiEliminaBarbara and Figbash,I don't know what went through my mind, but yesterday evening I forgot to reply your comments. Sorry!! Gonna make up for it immediately ;)
RispondiElimina@ Barbara: I remember that article too. Unfortunately I didn't have the chance to see that stage twice, so I cannot say whether Voeckler really accelerated or not.
Unfortunately, so far this Tour has been decided more by crashes than by the true value of the riders. Voeckler is in yellow because of Vinokourov and Hoogerland's crashes, Contador and Sanchez are behind their adversaries because of the crashes of the first stage, Wiggo, Horner, Kloden and Brajkovic are out of the race because of crashes and broken bones. Also Gesink is late in the GC because of a crash and the same goes for Kreuziger.
From the moral point of view, it's true that Voeckler, Sanchez and Casar could have stopped after Hoogerland and Flecha's crash. But still, they found themselves in a very difficult situation: they all had the chance of winning a stage and Thomas had the chance of wearing the yellow jersey. Voeckler probably thought: 'Why shall I throw the chance of wearing the yellow jersey away? The car didn't stop to check the conditions of Johnny and Juan, why shall I do it then?'
Of course I would have preferred to see Thomas and the other guys abandon their dream of glory in order to show some human support to their colleagues, but I can understand why they didn't stop.
@ Figbash: Voeckler is a Frenchman, he could kill in order to wear the yellow jersey ;)
Thomas' racing style can be a bit annoying, since he always tries to win stages by appearing at a certain point and by attacking after that other people did the hard work. Moreover, he has a particular personality, since he's said to be a guy who often complains about how things go in the peloton.
But still, I really admire Thomas for his grit, for his braveness and for the passion that he puts in his job. He's a guy who tries winning every time he races and I think that this is also a sign of respect for his supporters. That's why I admire him. But still, I completely understand why you don't like him - and, of course, I respect this fact.
Andy, Frank and Cancellara looked very worried after Vino's crash - Wouter's tragedy has left a deep scar in their mind.
'Crane-a-Neck-Schleck', LOL!!