Andy, what have you done? Did you really stay out until 5 am on the eve of a pretty hard Vuelta stage? Were you really drunk yesterday morning? Or did you just have a single drink after dinner?
These are some of the questions that Fangirl would like to ask Andy Schleck right now.
In fact, as everyone in Cycledom knows, yesterday Andy Schleck and Stuart O'Grady were kicked out from la Vuelta because they broke the internal rules of team Saxo Bank. In other words, they drank after dinner.
The problem is: Andy and Stuart said that they had just 1 drink after dinner, but they didn't mention at what time they came back to the hotel.
Bjarne Riis instead said that Andy and Stuey came back at the team's hotel at 5 am, after a night spent in a bar, but didn't say whether they were drunk or not. He simply said that he didn't care about how many beers Stuey and Andy had during the night, because '1 beer or 10 beers, it doesn't make any difference. It was 5 am'.
Then, obviously, there are the journalists. The journalists who, right now, are divided in two teams. Some wrote headlines like 'Andy Schleck ejected from la Vuelta just because he had a drink after dinner' and made the reader understand that, according to them, Riis was too harsh with the Luxembourgian. Others, instead, came up with sensational headlines like 'Schleck ejected from la Vuelta: he came back at his hotel, drunk, at 5am'. This, in particular, was the headline of La Gazzetta dello Sport.
I've already mentioned that, imo, someone who works for La Gazzetta doesn't like the Schlecks very much. Today, I think I had the official confirm of my suspect. "Andy Schleck, also known as 'the little brother', 'the angel-faced rider', the 'good' that was defeated by the 'bad' Contador during this year Tour... was ejected from la Vuelta after that he came back at his hotel, drunk, at 5 am yesterday morning (...) Together with him there was O'Grady, who already had an experience like that during the 2006 Vuelta, the night before of the last stage. On that occasion O'Grady spent the night in a disco, but then rode the day's stage in a spectacular way". At a certain point even Cancellara was mentioned in the article, since it seems that he had been out drinking with Schleck and O'Grady, too.
In this big information chaos, we obviously can't know who's telling the truth and who isn't.
Or, perhaps, both Andy and Riis are telling the truth. I mean, perhaps Andy really had just one drink after dinner and he really came back at 5 am in the morning. Who knows? Perhaps Andy went out and ordered a beer in a little bar. The beer eventually arrived, but it was very disgusting. Andy's a well-educated boy, so he probably thought it was unpolite to leave a full glass of beer on the bar table, without drinking it. So, he decided to finish that damned beer up. Too bad that, when he finally finished it, it was 5 am and his team ds was waiting for him and Stuey in the hall of the hotel. Perhaps, that's what happened.
Anyway. More seriously, I think that the other evening Andy made a mistake. In other words, he was imprudent and unwise.
These are some of the questions that Fangirl would like to ask Andy Schleck right now.
In fact, as everyone in Cycledom knows, yesterday Andy Schleck and Stuart O'Grady were kicked out from la Vuelta because they broke the internal rules of team Saxo Bank. In other words, they drank after dinner.
The problem is: Andy and Stuart said that they had just 1 drink after dinner, but they didn't mention at what time they came back to the hotel.
Bjarne Riis instead said that Andy and Stuey came back at the team's hotel at 5 am, after a night spent in a bar, but didn't say whether they were drunk or not. He simply said that he didn't care about how many beers Stuey and Andy had during the night, because '1 beer or 10 beers, it doesn't make any difference. It was 5 am'.
Then, obviously, there are the journalists. The journalists who, right now, are divided in two teams. Some wrote headlines like 'Andy Schleck ejected from la Vuelta just because he had a drink after dinner' and made the reader understand that, according to them, Riis was too harsh with the Luxembourgian. Others, instead, came up with sensational headlines like 'Schleck ejected from la Vuelta: he came back at his hotel, drunk, at 5am'. This, in particular, was the headline of La Gazzetta dello Sport.
I've already mentioned that, imo, someone who works for La Gazzetta doesn't like the Schlecks very much. Today, I think I had the official confirm of my suspect. "Andy Schleck, also known as 'the little brother', 'the angel-faced rider', the 'good' that was defeated by the 'bad' Contador during this year Tour... was ejected from la Vuelta after that he came back at his hotel, drunk, at 5 am yesterday morning (...) Together with him there was O'Grady, who already had an experience like that during the 2006 Vuelta, the night before of the last stage. On that occasion O'Grady spent the night in a disco, but then rode the day's stage in a spectacular way". At a certain point even Cancellara was mentioned in the article, since it seems that he had been out drinking with Schleck and O'Grady, too.
In this big information chaos, we obviously can't know who's telling the truth and who isn't.
Or, perhaps, both Andy and Riis are telling the truth. I mean, perhaps Andy really had just one drink after dinner and he really came back at 5 am in the morning. Who knows? Perhaps Andy went out and ordered a beer in a little bar. The beer eventually arrived, but it was very disgusting. Andy's a well-educated boy, so he probably thought it was unpolite to leave a full glass of beer on the bar table, without drinking it. So, he decided to finish that damned beer up. Too bad that, when he finally finished it, it was 5 am and his team ds was waiting for him and Stuey in the hall of the hotel. Perhaps, that's what happened.
Anyway. More seriously, I think that the other evening Andy made a mistake. In other words, he was imprudent and unwise.
I mean: you're a rider who's going to change team next year and you're 'stealing' many riders from your (almost) former team. Imo, in a situation like that, you should be prudent and know that your ds won't lose any occasion to create damages to your image. After all, that's part of the game too.
In such a delicate situation, me thinks that going out for a drink with just one teammate (who is also going to join you at your new team) on the eve of a pretty hard stage of a Grand Tour, without telling your ds about it, when you already have a heavy delay in the GC, well, me thinks that doing all these things in a certain situation isn't wise at all.
If then Andy really came back at 5 am, well, I think that then we can't say that he was just unwise and imprudent. If he really did so, he also lacked of professionality and of respect towards the team's sponsor, towards the race, towards his Spanish supporters and, more important, towards his teammates. That's my opinion.
As far as Riis is concerned, then, just try to put yourself in his shoes. You are a ds, your best riders are leaving your team and so are some of your 'historic' riders. The Vuelta is the last GT that you're facing with the boys that have been your best athletes for the last years. One of these boys, Andy, loses 37 minutes in one week time and this creates bad publicity to your sponsor. Then, on the eve of a pretty hard stage, Andy and another rider go out drinking after dinner, although they know it is prohibited.
Personally, I would have been a little fed up too, no matter when they actually came back to the hotel. The rules are rules. If then they came back at a decent time, I could have closed an eye. But if they really came back at 5 am, well, I think I would have sent them away from the race as well.
That was a very tricky move, I agree, but Riis had the right to do so. After all, if Andy hadn't broken that rule, Riis wouldn't have the chance of sending him out of the race. So, in the end, I think that the only ones to blame for what happened are Andy and Stuart.
But still, there is one thing I want to say: Andy is 25. Everyone makes mistakes, the problem is that when that 'everyone' is a famous person, well, the mistakes seem bigger and get a lot more of attention. So I think that Andy should reflect about what he's done, talk a lot with Frank ( he's the one who's going to suffer more for Andy's exclusion from the Vuelta) and try to focus on the last races of the season. Then, in less than two months, he'll be able to change team and forget about Riis and this story.
In the meanwhile, I hope he can have a bit of peace and relax in Luxembourg and support his brother Frank as much as he can- the boy needs all our support now.

Good post.
RispondiEliminaTo me the most disappointing aspect of the whole situation is the lack of respect Stuey and Andy showed their teammates.
Guys like Klemme are busting their behinds just to try and stay within the time limits and not get eliminated from the race. Yet their road captain, Stuey, and star rider, Andy, disregard team rules and go out for a beer. It gives the message that 'this race is not serious' or 'the rules don't apply to us'.
Brenda
Hello Fede, a really clever analysis.
RispondiEliminaHowever, I want to correct one thing: Riis has been misquoted in almost any translation. As I recall his statement in tv after the stage yesterday, he said: “It doesn’t matter if it was one drink or ten, OR if he was out until five in the morning..."
So...I guess that he doesn't confirm the 5am, but on the other hand he doesn't deny it either. Actually, I think he has been very diplomatic about not going into further details and he said in an interview this morning that he hopes that Andy will learn from this because he cares a lot for him.
Btw Kim Andersen just commented on this and he didn't sound very happy at all. "He knows very well what my opinion on this case is..." he said in reference to Andy Schleck.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/saxo-bank-drops-stuart-ogrady-and-andy-schleck/story-e6frg7mf-1225915776866
RispondiEliminaListen to the wise old men, Stuey.
@ Brenda: I totally agree with you about that. If I were a SB rider, yesterday morning I would have been very pissed off. If the '5 am story' is true,then, I just don't want to know how Frank Schleck felt when he got the news of his brother's late night.
RispondiEliminaAs well as that,imo,going out for a beer on the eve of a pretty hard stage of a GT isn't good for the race either. La Vuelta's organisers already have problems with riders getting retired every time in the middle of the race (a thing that I totally dislike),so I think they didn't need Andy and Stuey to create them this bad publicity too. Seen from outside, this story seems to say 'Hey,it's la Vuelta, let's take it easy and have fun' and imo this is a wrong attitude that damages a very fascinating race.
@ A Beautiful Freak: Thank you for the right translation of Riis' words (many Italian websites actually translated them in a wrong way). This changes something and it makes me think that Bjarne was very diplomatic as well. He could have given much more details just to throw s*** on Andy and Stuey and instead he didn't exaggerate with words. And he also said that he's not going to punish Andy in the next races and I think that this is pretty important.
Kim Andersen probably knows how things actually went and I think that, if Andy really didn't do anything bad, Kim would have defended him. Instead he just released that statement, so I think he doesn't feel like defending Andy either.
@ Mar: I can't understand one thing in that article. At a certain point, Stuey said: “We had just ridden our guts out in the team time trial.I don't want to sound like I'm whinging, but the decision to pull us out of the race was harsh”.
Does it mean that that bad story happened after the TTT in Seville? Or did I misunderstand Stuey (if so, please be soft on me: English isn't my mother-tongue and my brain sometimes has big blackouts...)?
Anyway, a thing that I totally dislike about this story is that we supporters can't know who's telling the truth and who isn't. I find this very frustrating.
Btw, even if the boys actually came back to their hotel at a decent hour, I think they were imprudent anyway. In fact I think that,if they had simply asked Bjarne whether they could go out,this bad story wouldn't have happened. I know they're grown-up people and should be able to go where they want without anyone's permission, but I think that in that way things would have gone in a different way (just my opinion).
Very wise words Fede.
RispondiEliminaTo me it seems Bjarne pulled the trigger, but Andy loaded the gun.
It is not important how many beers or when they came back, just Andy saying he broke a rule should be sufficient enough. When he says the decision was "too harsh" I suspect that going out for a drink, in certain situations (vuelta 2009 for example?), was not the exception but the norm and Bjarne covering up was also the norm. It is also clear that Bjarne used this occasion for settling of scores.
He did nothing criminal of course, but as you said so well he was imprudent and unwise.
Ah, btw, some newspapers says Andy and some other SB riders went out in Seville, Malaga, Murcia and Tarragona.
Francesca
Just read the article another time.. It is strange he mentioned the TTT. I did not saw that when I read it the first time. I was more intrested in these sentences.
RispondiElimina“Mate, we stepped out of the team hotel at 10pm and stopped for a couple of beers at a bar in the local piazza,” O'Grady said.
“We had two beers, that's all. Some members of the European press over here have made us sound like we were on the drink all night."
Just can't image Stuey not telling the truth here.
Maybe he mentioned the TTT because that was when he had to work the hardest for Fränky?
Don't worry about your english, it's not my first language either. I'm happy it's not yours too because it makes your blog easier to understand ;)
Mar,
RispondiEliminaSome of Stuey's comments have been a bit odd. Not only did he talk about the night of the TTT instead of the rest day, but he also told the Sydney Herald that SB didn't have a 'no drinking policy'. However, when Frank was interviewed about the incident, he said that the rules were clear. Andy had broken the rules and had to face the consequences.To me that means there was a clear no drinking policy.
I've always liked Stuey, but I have to wonder about the truth of some of the things he is saying.
Brenda
Brenda
I'm just glad that everyone posting on this blog is taking a more measured and considered approach to this whole situation! As much as I'm a fan of Andy, it s*&ts me a lot sometimes to see on other blogs the view that some fans have that Andy could never do wrong, &/ or that someone is always out to get him etc and that they must be hated, even without real reason. Yes, we 'love' Andy, but he's human and he can make mistakes. (I also dislike the whole, 'I know Andy and he wouldn't do that' etc rhetoric. I think the only people who really know Andy enough to be able to really say things like that, don't post on these blogs).
RispondiEliminaPersonally, without knowing all the facts, I think perhaps it was a bit harsh of Bjarne to eject them from the race, but at the same time, he has a right to if they've gone and broken the rules. Without knowing what precedents SB may have towards such situations etc, I think, if I was a DS and the team rule was no drinking during races, and two of my riders had gone out drinking during a Grand Tour, I would definitely consider dropping them. If not, it sends a bad message to the other riders who don't drink that 'yes, you can break the team rules and you won't get punished' and so it just goes downhill from there. And I definitely think a lot of people and media have omitted the correct translation of Bjarne's statement about the 'OR at 5am' for their own biased view, which ever side they have taken.
In regards to Stuey, he is known in Aust. cycling media to have been a bit of a party animal, esp. in his younger days and whilst I can't say much about Andy, from my impression, I feel he is like most young men, as down to earth as he is, I think he also has his party-boy slightly womanizing side (as much as other blogs and their followers would like to think not) which he will hopefully grow out of as he gets older and decides he wants to settle down. But these are my impressions. We should always keep in mind that whatever we read, even quotes, are always at the mercy of what the journalist writing it decides to include.
Anyway, thanks for the measured and considered blog! It was a relief to read after everything else! Sorry for long post as well - maybe I should start my own blog! (Oh, and as a native English speaker, I think your english is very commendable).
This is a very good analysis of the situation Fede. Indeed, not knowing the truth is frustrating.. but I have to say that I agree with Brenda (and Fede). Rules are rules and if there's a no drinking policy then you shouldn't drink. Riis and Andersen are right about that. I feel sorry for the other guys too.. Ah well, mistakes are human and I hope they learned their lesson ;)
RispondiElimina@ Francesca: You wrote very wise things,too. I agree with you about everything and I have the same suspect as you. In the past, probably, going out for a drink after dinner was normal at Saxo Bank. But now that Andy and other riders are changing team, Riis probably got fed up and decided to take harsher decision about that.
RispondiEliminaAs far as the newspaper articles are concerned, I remember that also last year, before of the Tour, there were some rumours about Andy's late nights in Luxembourg. At the time Riis obviously covered up everything, but now the situation is very different and so he probably decided he wasn't going to put up with these behaviours any longer.
@ Mar: I totally believe Stuey when he says that a lot of newspapers have exaggerated things. But as far as the rest of the article is concerned, well, I'm sorry but I agree with Brenda: Stuey said some odd things.
For example, he says he stepped out of the hotel at 10 pm, but he doesn't say when he and Andy actually came back.And, personally, I'd prefer to know when they came back rather than when they stepped out from the hotel.
Then, the TTT thing: I think that every single Vuelta rider did his best in that stage,so I really can't understand why Stuey said that. To me, his words sounded a bit like: 'Hey, I deserved that beer because I've worked hard for the team so far!' and I think this is a lack of respect towards the other riders of the team.
In addition, I didn't like what Stuey said about the Worlds.You should have thought about your Worlds preparation before of breaking a team rule, not after breaking it. Sorry, but that's my point of view.
@ Anonimo: You said very wise things,too. Usually,if someone breaks a rule while they're working, they always have to face a punishment (or a warning) for what they did. I can't understand why things should be different for Andy and Stuart. Probably it wasn't the first time they broke the 'no drinks after dinner' rule, so that's why they think Bjarne's decision was too harsh.But still, the rules are rules and they're made to be respected. Otherwise, it would be anarchy.
RispondiEliminaOh,and I agree about the newspaper thing: someone exaggerated things because they wanted to put Andy under a bad light (although, on the other hand, it must be said that someone else is trying to do the same thing with Bjarne too).
I've read that Stuart was a bit of a 'party animal' too. Obviously this isn't a bad thing at all, because it is something that regards his free time and his private life. The problems imo begin when the line between 'free time' and 'job' starts to fade. And personally I think that, when a rider goes to drink a beer after dinner on the eve of an important GT stage, it means that the famous 'free time/job' line is actually starting to fade.
As far as Andy is concerned, I think he's a bit of a party animal too.After all he's just 25 and I dare you to find a young boy of that age who doesn't enjoy going to partys and flirting with girls. Perhaps some of us imagine him as the perfect boy from the other world,the one who's always serene,relaxed, sweet and so on.But I think that a boy like that doesn't exist- or,if it exists, I haven't met him yet ;) I think everyone should understand that Andy's a normal boy too,who can make mistakes and so on, and I also believe that,when we say we're in love with him, we should actually think whether we're actually in love with HIM or with the IDEA we have of him.That's why in my posts I always try to be as impartial as I can towards him.Because,after all,I don't know him personally and so I just have to trust what other people write about him. Who knows, perhaps if I met him and he asked me to become his girlfriend I'd last just one week and then I'd come back to the normal boy I like right now.
Btw I've been very glad to read all your comments because they showed that I'm not the only one who thinks that Riis didn't commit a crime when he sent Andy home.In a certain way, your comments made me feel less lonely ;)
And then,Anonimo,don't worry about the length of your comments: you're writing to a girl who needs 50 lines to explain just one thought ;)
@ Marleen: I think Andy and Stuart will surely learn the lesson- unless in their new team they decide to eliminate the 'no drinks after dinner' rule... ;)
I agree that Stuey did not say his words as wisely as Andy did. I think his main point was that he felt the breaking of the rule was not worse enough to send them home. By mentioning the TTT and his victories and 6years of loyalty (in some other interviews) he's trying to say that it's not a nice way to leave the team. In stead of knocking everyone who leaves SB out, I think he expected a great last ride and a nice goodbye. (Remember, just my interpretation of his words!!)
RispondiEliminaRiis instead was reading the rules stricly and applying them like a boss in the office. He was not thinking with his heart. (okay, that sounds weird, I hope you understand.)
I do also agree that Andy made a mistake. He will learn.
I'm just wondering all the time.. What if Andy and Stuey asked Bjarne if they could get another beer at the piazza.. Would he have said yes?? (I have to stop that thought because I don't want to fall in 'what-if's.)
Oh, to the native english speaking anonimo.. What blogs are you following? I collect nice cycling blogs ;) Or is it wrong to advertise other blogs on Fede's blog? If so, I'm sorry for asking. If not, tell meeee, hehe.
Another long comment.. But I like long comments, they're like a little blog inside a blog. More to read!
Don't worry Mar, I understood everything you wrote and I also understand your point of view. Riis was very cold when he decided to send the boys away from the team and Stuey is probably very disappointed at having ended his job relationship with Bjarne in such a bad way.This is perfecty understandable and I also understand Stuart's efforts in trying to defend his point of view on what happened- after all, if I were him, I'd probably do the same.
RispondiEliminaI don't know whether Bjarne would have allowed the boys to go out to get a drink,if they had asked him. But at least, if he had said 'no', I think Stuey and Andy might have obeyed him and perhaps at this time they would still be racing in Spain. Otherwise, they would have been sent home anyway.
Don't worry, it's not a problem to advertise other cycling blogs here. I'm actually looking for suggestions too!
I like long comments as well,especially because they always offer interesting point of views and interesting ideas.
Sorry Mar, my comment is a bit misleading - when I refer to 'other blogs' I really just mean one in particular (not this one), but I'm trying not to name names (although I'm sure everyone who follows all the Andy / cycling blogs will be able to guess which one I'm talking about). For the most part, I enjoy following that particular blog, but I dislike how fanatical & biased it & the commentators can be sometimes, particularly in matters such as this and the 'Chaingate' scandal. Be supportive, of course, but never at the expense of reason and perspective, which I know can be hard sometimes. That's why I like Fede's blog so much.
RispondiEliminaI like what Fede says about the fact that we can only trust (with a grain of salt) what is told to us by the media or other people about a situation or indeed a person, and this does not mean that we really ‘KNOW’ somebody. I will add to this, that it also doesn’t mean you are their friend (to me, it must be reciprocated to be a friendship) even if you’ve read & watched every article/interview, have been told things about someone by secondary sources (who, lets face it, probably aren’t much closer to them), or have even been lucky enough to have a chat with this person. One conversation does not make you best friends (unless you're in primary school!) or mean you have a ‘special bond', or that people should look to you as the source of insight about someone who is a real, living and complicated being.
Sorry guys, I’ve totally gone off on a tangent. I’m a bit scattered today. Must be because the weekend is so near! I mainly follow Fede and this other blog. I used to follow Helsy 33’s blog which was great, but she doesn’t post much anymore, I think.
Everyone has their own way of supporting a rider. There are people who scream at the tv when their favourite riders are racing, girls who begin to blog in order to share their passion, people who follow races with their cars/caravans or whatever else, supporters (like my sister) who get angry at everyone who rides faster than their favourite riders, and then there are guys like my father, who don't support anyone openly, but that start to smile in a very meaningful way every time you mention Freire or Menchov.
RispondiEliminaAt the same time there are different ways of blogging. I may sound too rational or too cold to someone and at the same time other people may sound too 'fanatical' or even 'biased' to someone else. But still, everyone has the right to express their opinion in their own way.
Perhaps, Anonimo, you should write your opinion about a blog not here, but on the blog you're actually talking about. As a blogger, I find it interesting to read comments of people who don't agree with me on some matters. It makes me question my opinions and ideas and it also makes the discussions better.
I used to follow Helsy's blog (which I really liked) too, but as far as I know she's stopped blogging.Btw everyone who's interested can find a list of my favourite blogs on the right part of your screen, under my personal profile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db8eOSb_frQ
RispondiEliminaThank you for the video, Anonimo: it is very nice and it was also new to me.
RispondiEliminaI don't know whether Andy really said the truth about this story (Fangirl always believes him,but Logic has her doubts) but,imo, this isn't the point of the discussion: the thing is that also Andy admitted that he broke a team rule,so I think we can't defend him in any way. Perhaps he really drank just 2 beers, perhaps not, but one thing is sure: Andy was imprudent and unwise in breaking that rule.
However, I want one thing to be clear: I feel very sorry for Andy and Stuart. This story brought them very bad publicity, is damaging their preparation for the next races and is probably making them feel very sorry. They're in a very bad situation and they have all my support. But still, I think they made a mistake and that Bjarne was right in sending them home. As Francesca said, 'Bjarne pulled the trigger, but Andy loaded the gun'.
Now I just hope that Andy will leave this bad story behind him and that he'll win an important race in October.That would really be a great way to end his job relationship with Riis.