To everyone's joy, miss Fede is back on her blog after an entertaining (and devasting) short holiday in Vienna. Many things have happened in the cycling world and in the Blogosphere over the last days, so let's start talking about them.First of all, I want to say that I'm very sorry for the disappearance of the Schleckland blog. However, I'm sure that Cougar Girl had her good reasons to stop writing it and I think that she's not obliged to tell us what happened. Btw, I'd like to thank her here for the good time I had while reading her hilarious posts. I'm going to miss them a lot, CG, and I wish you all of the best for your future.
Anyway, let's now talk about some important events that happened last week. Or, better, let's talk about THE event that took place last week, aka Team Luxembourg's presentation. During it, we poor supporters finally discovered that the official name of the team is Team Leopard-Trek and we could finally see the team's kits. It was high time (and the guys in the pic below completely agree with me)!!
First of all, let's say that the presentation was attended by about 4000 fans and by Pat McQuaid in person. At the beginning the riders were wearing black suits and white shirts. None of them wore a tie, a thing that surprised me a bit. In fact, miss Fede has always loved men with suits and ties, mainly because that's what John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd were wearing in the Blues Brothers movie (my favourite film ever). Anyway, the Leopard riders accompanied their suits with some scarves. Talking about scarves, here you have a nice picture of Fuglsang, looking as lovely as usual at the presentation.
If you, like me, couldn't watch it live, on http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-leopard-trek-presentation-video there's a video of the presentation, which made me notice Kim Andersen's good German. From the vid the presentation looked very exciting, no doubts that the organisers did a very good job with it. However, why did the guy playing with the circle wear a zebra kit? It should have been a leopard kit, shouldn't it?
Anyway. Talking about the part of the show in which the riders were presented, it was very nice to see the new guys, especially the young 'unknown' ones.
Stefan Denifl looked really handsome, although I had the impression he was a bit embarassed. Martin Pedersen looked very nice too, although he looked short next to the woman who was presenting (she was wearing very high heels and that didn't help at all).
When the woman had to present Bennati and Viganò, she obviously pronounced those names in a pretty wrong way. Italian names aren't easy to pronounce, but here's a clue for everyone of you who'd like to say them correctly. First of all, the double 'n' in Bennati's name and the accent on Viganò's last 'o' aren't there just because they look good. They're there because you should stress the last 'o' of Davide's surname and because you should double the 'n' in Daniele's one. Oh, and since I'm talking about this boring subject, let me remind you that you should say Nìbali (and not Nibàli) and Cùnego (and not Cunégo). Ok?
Talking about Bello Benna, he looked very nice on the stage and the man who was presenting told him (in Italian) that he was a very handsome boy. What a funny man. Still talking about the riders on the stage, Brice Feillu looked taller than ever, while Fuglsang was incredibly lovely and made many fangirls melt (right Leela and Mar?).
The Schleck brothers were the last guys to be presented, together with Fabian Cancellara. The brothers received great applauses, that were completely deserved. They got on the stage with their new bikes and I must say that I really do like them (although light blue isn't actually one of my favourite colours).
Let's now talk briefly about the team kits. I'm not that keen on classic looks, therefore I find the new jerseys boring and unoriginal. Moreover, I don't like the national champions jerseys at all (how are we supposed to recognise those riders during the races?). But still, the designers were intelligent enough to use black shorts and they didn't make a complete disaster. So, I think we can all have a sigh of relief now that we've seen the new kit, which isn't as horrible as Footon Servetto's 2010 one. In addition, I predict we'll get used to it in few weeks time.
My last thought about the team presentation is that it looked as if there was a very thrilling atmosphere in Luxembourg that night. It was pretty strange to realise this, because it doesn't happen often to feel such strong emotions while watching a video on the computer. Actually, while watching the replay of the presentation I had the feeling that a big new adventure has begun. If I feel this way and I'm just a supporter, I can't imagine how the guys on the team must feel now...
So, this was the long awaited presentation of team Leopard-Trek. My post doesn't probably add anything new to what has already been said/written/thought about it over the last days, also because I've come back in contact with the cycling world just today. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed it anyway. As I said, a new big adventure has just begun- and now, finally, it is true racing time.
(pictures from Bettini and Cyclingnews)

I hope you had a good vacation!
RispondiEliminaI'm starting to like the jersey. Although I agree with you about the national champions jersey. I think the colours of their country should be more out there, but I think we will get used to the jersey in time.
I always have troubles in the beginning of the season with the new team jerseys :P
I guess I'm the only one liking the national jersey...
RispondiEliminaI thought it was a bit strange to call Jakob a 'climber' and not a 'all-rounder'. Yes, Jakob is good at climbing, but his TT is also very good!
Fede, did you miss Jens? (I did..) And what are your thoughts on Stefans hairdo??
Hi, Fede!
RispondiEliminaI'm going to miss Schleckland very much too and I kind of needed a new blog to comment on, so here I am :P CG always made me laugh, but I love your blog as well ^.^
I really like the jersey, actually. At first I was a bit disappointed. I hadn't really expected anything except the light blue which I wasn't too happy about. But by the end of the team presentation I loved it (ha, ha). I see why you would think they're boring. Someone called it "safe" and I think that's a good description.
I also wondered about that zebra dude. He should have been a leopard!
@ MeMarleen: I had a very good vacation, thank you. I walked a lot, visited museums and interesting places, ate a lot of Sacher...Everything was ok (apart from the sore feet) ;)
RispondiEliminaI agree with you about the national champion jerseys: the country colours should be more evident, on the new jerseys instead they're almost completely hidden and imo this isn't very good. Especially because right now Frank is the Luxembourgian champion and a 'normal' champion jersey would make things easier for supporters and chronists that have to recognise the Schleck brothers during the races (I always confuse them when they show the riders from the helicopter :S).
Don't worry for the 'jersey problem', you're not the only one who has it! It will take me ages to get used to the new kits...Team Leopard's jersey looks a bit like SB's old one, Katusha's one looks like Acqua & Sapone's old kit, Garmin-Cervélo has the same kit as Cervélo 2010...No wonder we're confused!!
@ Mar: I also think that Jakob is an all-rounder, but they probably called him in the climbers group because of organisation's problems. I think they needed to have the same number of all-arounders and climbers and perhaps that's why Jakob was presented with the other grimpeurs.
I missed Jens too, but on the presentation day he was in Berlin because his wife is giving birth to their 6th child in these days, so he obviously wanted to stay close to her. How sweet!
I like Stefan's new look, it was a nice surprise! Unfortunately I'm afraid he might have some problems with his helmet during the next races ;)
PS: If someone is interested, on http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blog/blazin-saddles/article/1414/ there is Blazin' Saddles' post about the presentation.
Welcome on my blog Susanne, it's a pleasure to have you here! :)
RispondiEliminaI'm going to miss Schleckland a lot too. CG is a very hilarious writer and I really loved the atmosphere on her blog. But still, it was up to her to decide whether to keep on blogging or not. She decided to stop it and all we can do now is to respect her decision and to avoid being selfish, although obviously we're all going to miss her and her witty writing style.
At the end of the presentation I actually started to like the new kits too and the funny thing is that, apparently, this thing happened also to many other supporters ;)
The team designers probably feared that, if the kit had ended up with being horrible, fangirls from all over the world would have started to hate them and stalk them, so they decided to choose something classic and 'safe' (perfect adjective to descrive the new jerseys, really!).I actually can't blame them for that!
I don't have any explanation for the zebra dude mistery. Perhaps they joked about the fact that zebra prints and leopard ones are considered similar...
PS: it's the first time that I write a comment in the very same moment as someone else. How strange is that? ;)
Hi everyone and welcome back Fede!!
RispondiEliminaI actually really love the jersey and how simple it is. And I also like the national champion jersey, but I do see what you're getting at with it being hard to then pick out of the peloton.
Also agree, Jakob should have been an all-rounder... well a few of us on twitter decided he could come out with the climbers and then come back with the all-rounders, just so we could get another look at how gorgeous he looked in his kit! :P
I really enjoyed watching the presentation - though not sure what the purpose of the circus acts was - and it was fun being able to watch it knowing that several of my friends were actually there at the presentation (which they all raved about!).
*group Schlecklander hug* as we're all coming to terms with the disappearance of CG.
Thanks, Leela, I feel much better now :D
RispondiEliminaI liked the show even though it was very... strange. Still, it was different and fun and I think it showed that they have a sense of humour. Oh, and Brian Nygaard's socks at the press conference: http://images.newmedia.lu/rtl.lu/cms/imagegallery/2011/01/06/6673//520//c0892f77e3d8917c01fe9fdf8b3a8432.jpg - I love them! :D
I've realised that my bedroom matches the kit - it's white, black and the same shade of blue. Isn't that just perfect? xD
Fede, what are you talking about? How could guy with circle wear leopard kit? He isn’t member of the pride! But I’m not sure if leopards live in pride (it seems to me that not). This one isn’t that important, but if leopards don’t hunt in coordinated groups, so we have a problem… ;)
RispondiEliminaBecause I always have difficulties of recognizing riders in peloton so I shouldn’t like Frank’s jersey… but I really enjoy it. I like the idea, it’s different, original but not gimmicky. And it’s better identification with team, which is good (the same important to supporters), it’s team sport.
Jersey in the colour of the sky above the Grand Duchy (and Andy’s eyes) and you don’t like it?! I also don’t ;) light blue is definitely not my colour. But I know that red kits are just my imagination, unfulfilled wishes and dreams… Coming down to earth I like new look, it’s elegant (it could be much worse, it could be motley like from circus).
I wonder how you want to introduce an ex mountain bike rider??? No matter when and how presented Jakob is pretty as a picture.
Your instructions about Italian pronunciation raise an evil-minded smile on my face. You know why.
@ Leela: Jakob looked gorgeous indeed, I wouldn't have complained if he had appeared on the stage two times (or 3 or 4 or 5...I never get tired of watching handsome cyclists)!
RispondiEliminaThe circus-parts left me a bit confused too because I didn't expect them at all. But still, I think they helped with the creation of the 'big-event-mood', so I must admit I quite liked them.
I think that the one who needs the biggest hug right now is CG. I think it was very difficult for her to stop blogging, but the reasons why she did so are perfectly understandable. Blogging takes up a lot of time, especially if you write entertaining and interesting stuff almost daily (a thing that she always did). I just hope that CG will pop up somewhere sometimes in order to give us her witty remarks and entertain us. In that way at least we wouldn't miss her as much as we do now!!
@ Susanne: they have a good sense of humour indeed! Talking about Jens' absence, for example, Nygaard said that he's going to create his own Voigt-team and I really liked that joke.
Red socks with a black suit and a white shirt? Let's hope that Brian will never go shopping with Andy then! Jakob, your help is desperately needed in your new team. Buy everyone some decent clothes and socks, please.
It must be great to have a room that matches your favourite team's kit!! My bedroom room is light yellow and hopefully it'll perfectly match Andy's jersey during the month of July ;)
@ Ania: Good explanation for the zebra guy Ania! I'm still laughing at it :)
I've taken a look at Wikipedia and it seems that leopards don't hunt together. However, they're said to be extremely versatile animals as far as their habitats are concerned... ;)
The new jersey is elegant indeed. I also wished they used a red kit, but unfortunately they took another decision. But things could have gone much worse, so I'm happy anyway ;)
Now that I think of it, I've just realised that they could have presented former mountain bikers apart from the other riders. And someone will be happy to know that both Jakob and Denifl belong to this category... Or perhaps it was better that they were presented in different moments, otherwise fangirls would have had to divide their attention between Stefan and Fuglsang- and I'm not sure they would have been happy with it!
I don't want to sound like a little arrogant girl when I give instructions about Italian pronounciation (I myself have problems with English and Dutch surnames, not to mention the Polish ones). But still, I think it could be interesting for the readers to know what the correct pronounciation of Italian surnames is.
About your evil-minded smile...Has it something to do with Niemiec, I wonder? ;)
Regarding the vanished blog and CG, I am a bit worried. I saw her last post dated 4 Jan 22:39 "en cache". It is entitled "Terrible websites" and she finishes with "See you tomorrow!"
RispondiEliminaCougar, if you happen to read this, give us word that you are well and alive and gardening in Britain.
Alice
So nice to find members of the former Schleckland community gathering over here! Fede, I've been enjoying your blog (thanks). I LOVE the hints on Italian pronunciation - please keep them coming. While watching the Vuelta, I was frustrated that there were so many pronunciations of Nibali and I didn't know which was right (until we watched a video clip with Italian sports announcers to give us a clue). In an international sport, one can't always get it right, but it's sure nice to try!
RispondiElimina(PeeDee)
You are taking it too personal! I know that you want all words be pronounced correctly. And I noticed what you think about reporters who make mistakes:) And I don't think that it's arrogant or that you sound arrogant. Only you made me laugh a bit because you pointed out details :) But I am not denying that it's interesting.
RispondiEliminaAbout my evil-minded smile... I mean this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8pGQEzZkeQ
One more thing ;)
RispondiEliminaIt's very likely Leela enjoys your idea of another category of riders. Jakob could come out three times... plus one more at the end.
What do you think Leela ;) ???
@ Knittinggene: Good evening PeeDee and welcome on my blog! Nice to know that you enjoy it :)
RispondiEliminaI think that hints about pronunciation can be extremely useful. You can't imagine how embarassed I was when I wanted to ask Voigt for an autograph at 2009 Giro and I didn't know how to pronounce his surname correctly. I solved the problem by calling him 'Jens', but then a supporter asked me who 'that rider' was (stupid ignorant supporter, how can you ignore the identity of Herr Voigt?) and it took me some time to make him understand who Jens was. I started by pronouncing his surname as 'Fokt' (which should be cthe orrect pronunciation), but the supporter didn't understand and so I had to pronounce Jens' surname in a lot of absurd ways. In the end the man understood and he said: "Ah, Voigt (pronounced as 'Voigt')! Now I understand! You could have said it earlier!". The funniest thing was that Jens had understood that we were talking about him, so he came towards us and said something including his surname. In that moment I watched the other supporter with a superiority look on my face ("I had told you his name was 'Fokt'!", I wanted to say,), but it was a pretty embarassing (although extremely funny) situation anyway.
I usually listen to Eurosport English chronists when I want to know the correct pronounciation of English names, but I start to laugh every time they mention Italian riders! I know it's evil, but I find it extremely funny to hear people saying Nibàli, Cunègo, Benati and Vigàno (as you can see, it doesn't take much to amuse me...)!
@ Ania: my intolerance for reporters who don't pronounce the names correctly began in 2009, when Italian chronists completely changed the pronunciation of the name 'Levi Leipheimer'. That fact caused big confusion in Cycledom, because many people (me included) began to use the new pronounciation, while many others didn't. For example, there was a period when, every time I talked about cycling with my grandparents, they would ask me who 'Livai Laipaimer' was. In the end, I gave in and went back to the old pronunciation (the same happened with Voigt and Szmyd' surnames).
Btw don't worry, I didn't take your comment personally. I simply grabbed the chance to say why I decided to include the pronunciation tips in the post :)
Polish surnames are probably the most compliecated things to pronounce for me. Every time I have to say a Polish surname, I just close my eyes and say it, hoping that the people I'm talking to will be able to understand what I mean.
Wloszczowska, what a word! Even worse than Przemyslaw!
@Peedee!!!!!! Hi!! :)
RispondiEliminaI only meant Jakob could be classified as an all-rounder because he is also strong in the TT as well :) But yes, with a background in mountain-biking he is for sure probably more a climber... @Fede @Ania yes I might support that we could have him out on stage 3 times 1x climber, 1x all-rounder, 1x ex-mountain-biker ;P
@Fede: OK, I have a thing for socks that are quirky, funny or bright so I really like Brian's :P It's a "new thing" (it's not really that new) in Denmark for men to wear fun/strange/colourful, especially with suits and stuff, and I love that. I gave my dad this horrible pair in orange, purple and light blue for Christmas - and he's actually wearing them (I didn't really think he would xD)
RispondiEliminaI like your lessons on Italian pronunciation. I always make an effort to pronounce names correctly and sometimes it can really annoy/amuse me when names are pronounced wrongly. Obviously some names are harder (yes, Polish names are really difficult!) but with other names it's just a matter of getting used to the different sounds. You can at least try.
The first time I heard Fuglsang pronounced "foogle-sang" I laughed but now I think it's really cute. But Voigt should be pronounced "fokt" and it irritates me when it's pronounced "voigt" - the first time I heard that, I didn't even know who they were talking about! :P
Most of the time it just "flows" better if you pronounce names in a slightly wrong way. I say "Frank" instead of "Fränk" because it's easier and even though I know how to pronounce Contador correctly it still comes out in a slightly Danish way. The funny thing is, when I speak English, Contador comes out in an English way :P
Luckily, the Danish commentators are usually pretty good at pronouncing names. Except Caisse d'Epargne, but that doesn't matter now anyway.
@ Leela: you forgot to mention the final salute to the fans! That would make 4 stage appearances for mister Fuglsang (and a lot of joy for us fangirls) ;)
RispondiElimina@ Susanne: Orange, purple and light blue socks? Your dad must be a very brave man to wear them! ;)
I must admit I have a yellow pair of socks, with white flowers and a painting of Tweety on. They were a Santa Lucia present, but I never wear them... On the other hand, I have a pair of white slippers -that I adore- with pink hippos on (I got desperate when I thought I had lost one of the hippos...:P).
Back to bright socks, however, I agree with you: in fact, I also think they prove that their wearer has a very good sense of humour. Therefore, chapeau to every bright socks wearer on Earth! ;)
Fuglsang is one of the most difficult surnames to pronounce here in Italy. Actually, Jakob's surname is so frightening for us that there is an Italian chronist who calls Fuglsang 'my Danish friend' in order to avoid to pronounce his surname.
Sometimes I make intentional pronounciation mistakes too, otherwise people wouldn't be able to understand who I'm talking about. For example, I always pronounce Szmyd in the Italian way ('Smid'), although I know it's wrong, and I too say Frank and not 'Fränk'. Moreover, I avoid to pronounce 'Andy' in the Luxembourgian way.
Spanish names are very difficult, they have some difficult sounds in it!
Oh, and I also change the pronounciation of the names according to the language I'm talking in. I think it's a natural thing. You're so focused on what you're saying that you simply forget about the correct pronunciation of names...
Italian chronists are usually great at pronouncing French and Spanish names, but sometimes they have problems with the German/English ones, not to mention the Polish ones (also Russian surnames can be pretty tricky too).
Hello everyone! The more the merrier :) For those that don't know me yet: I'm Marleen from the Netherlands :) (@marleen888)
RispondiEliminaInteresting discussion about pronounciation.. I totally recognize myself in this. I also try to pronounce names as correctly as possible, but it's very difficult because also over here in the Netherlands we tend to say names in a certain way so that they fit into our own language.. and it's always funny when foreign reporters try to pronounce the Dutch surnames like Gesink, Mollema and Hoogerland.. I guess you can't just change that, it's normal for people to reform names to their own language, but I do think that things are getting more international these days (more English words in Dutch). These hints about Italian names are great, Fede. Keep them coming ;)
Jakob Fuglsang.. I absolutely agree girls, as Leela said: gorgeous guy! He can get on that stage as many times as he likes.. I won't complain either ;)
I must admit that also Dutch names are a big problem for me! For example, I find 'Stamsnijder' and 'Kruijswijk' terribly complicated. And I'm not actually sure about my way of pronouncing other names (Boom, Hoogerland, Mollema...) either!
RispondiEliminaTo make everyone happy, I think they should have left Jakob on the stage during the whole presentation. That would have made everyone happy ;)
Good morning girls! :) I just realised I forgot to tell you (and sorry for the self-promotion on your blog, Fede) but we changed our Fuglsang blog name and the link you have up now Fede won't work. The new one is justfuglen.tumblr.com :)
RispondiEliminaHello everyone! I think you don't know me yet, so allow me to introduce myself. I'm Cristin, American living in Switzerland. I've been reading this blog for a while, but I don't think I've ever made a comment, don't know why.
RispondiEliminaFirst off, I have to say that I enjoy this blog and long posts very much, and also that I agree with Fede on many things.
Thanks for the pronunciation guide Fede!
I personally have a problem with Polish names (seems like we all do, xD) while Spanish aren't such a challenge, but I do speak Spanish. I can also say most Italian ones, but sometimes I'm not sure.
I also have to shamefully admit I had no idea that Voigt was supposed to be pronounced as "fokt" (I used to say "voyt") and that I have no idea how exactly is Frank supposed to be pronounced without ignoring the umlaut as I do. I'm glad I learned something new!
Oh, they should've definitely left Jakob on the stage during the whole thing. I don't know anyone who'd object xD
@ Leela: now I understand why I couldn't see any update on Candyman Can in the last days!
RispondiEliminaBtw, don't worry for the self-promotion: actually, I'm very happy that you told us about the new name of your blog.
We all need our daily dose of Fuglsang pictures and your tumblr is an excellent source of photographs and entertainment for everyone of us!
@ Cristin: Hi Cristin and welcome on my blog! :D
It's nice to learn something new about names' pronounciation and I think that we're all learning something new in this discussion.
For example, after reading Marleen's comments I'm having big doubts about my way of pronouncing Mollema, Gesink and Hoogerland's surnames ;) Moreover, while I was reading today's Gazzetta, I remembered my difficulties in pronouncing the surname 'De Waele'. Belgium names can be very tricky too!
Frank's name, if pronounced with the umlaut, should actually sound a bit like 'Fronk'. Moreover, I remember that during Mendrisio 2009's Worlds I could hear many Luxembourgians saying 'Ondy' rather than 'Andy'.
This makes me think that, if I ever managed to talk with the brothers, I'd surely ask them clues about the pronounciation of their names (and, for everyone's joy, I'd immediately report their answers here) ;)
Should we all make voice-post about pronouncing names? Wouldn't be so hard to find one person from each country, right?
RispondiEliminaYou probably don't want to hear the Australian pronunciation of Frank and Andy.... Fraaaank and Aaaaandy ;P
RispondiElimina@ Mar: that's a great idea Mar and if everyone cooperates I think that we could really have at least one person from each country ready to tell us the correct pronounciation of foreign names! :)
RispondiEliminaUnfortunately there is a little problem: I have no clue how to make (and publish) voice-posts. Anyone who can help me? No one? Pleeease (*puppy eyes*)!
@ Leela: We have Fraaaank and Aaaandy also here in Italy, but sometimes (especially during the Tour, when reporters speak French most of the day with their colleagues) we also have 'Andì', with the stress on the last i! :P
I'll do some Dutchies if you tell me which one you'd like to hear! See my tumblr...
RispondiEliminaLol at the reason for the umlaut, xD. I can see where is he coming from though. While Cristin is a very common and easy name to pronounce, I keep getting it misspelled. Everyone seems to have their own way. Sometimes it just makes you want to write it in capitals on your forehead or something.
RispondiEliminaI rather like the idea of the voice post, but unfortunately I have no way of contributing, seen as I don't have a microphone.
Cristin
@ Lee O'Pard (or should I say Cougar Girl?): Welcome on my blog dear! It's so nice to talk again with you! And yes, I'm sobbing in pleasure at being together again too ;)
RispondiEliminaVery interesting explanation for the umlaut on Frank's name :) Actually, I've noticed that in the interviews Andy always calls his brother 'Fraaaaank', so I think this should be the correct way of pronouncing his name.
I prefer Unndy too and the Singing Cat actually seems to say Unndy, and not Ondy, so I say: let's all follow the cat's pronounciation, girls!
Talking about the singing cat, how could have I forgotten it? Come on girls, let's sing all together! 'Eisen Andy Andy Andy gewennt den Tour de France! Jo do huet den Conti Conti iwerhaapt keng chance...'
@ Mar: I wrote an answer to your post on Tumblr, but I'm not sure if I did it in the correct way. Would you please let me know if you got my comment or not?
For those who'd like to give their help in our 'correct pronounciation quest', although they (like me) don't have a microphone: I was actually thinking that perhaps we could also find some videos on YouTube in which chronists from our countries pronounce the names of the riders in the correct way. Then we could make a post with all the videos in and we could make our pronounciation of foreign names become better by hearing those vids. Do you think it could work?
@ Cristin: I understand what you mean :) My name is pretty simple too, but people in foreign countries often put an 'r' between the F and the first E, so that it becomes something like 'Frede'. How annoying!
It would be great if we could make some sort of "How to pronounce names"-class! I have problems with Dutch names too and funnily enough it's because Dutch sometimes sounds a lot like Danish so I tend to pronounce the names as if they're Danish (which I'm pretty sure is wrong :P)
RispondiEliminaBut I'm not really sure how to do it best... I don't know how to make voice-posts but if we could I think that would be the best way. The YouTube videos could work as well but it could be hard to hear the names in a language you don't understand at all. But it wouldn't hurt to try :P
Fränk and the umlaut - ha, ha! xD
I actually thought it was supposed to be something like "Fraenk" but now that you mention it, Andy does say "Fraaaank" so I guess that's settled.
My name is often pronounced in different ways. I've become used to it and I don't really mind but that's probably because I don't really like the Danish way :P
Um, and "Frede"? What's up with that? How can people make that mistake? O.O
Hi Frede (mwuahaha)
RispondiEliminaI did not receive any message from you. But request can be put here too! Or you just hit 'ask', that works for 'anonymous'.
Wow, how many posts! I'm cramming for my exams and now I need to cram for cycling :P
RispondiEliminaMy two cents on the team presentation: cool, slightly long, very Cirque du Soleil, understood almost nothing that was not said in english or french. Liked the kit, the retrò style, the colours and Jakob modeling it, in fact liked Jakob anyway.
If somebody has any idea why they were laughing it would be very appreciated if you could share :-)
I'm enthralled by the pronunciation issue.
How does Fuglsang sound? Something like "full sang"? I pronounce Voigt as it was "fought", while Frank and Andy are shamelessly pronounced in english :P And I'm surprised that even Boom, Gesink and Mollema give problems.
Francesca
Ps: How do I stop "eisen Andy Andy Andy" in my mind?
@Francesca: Fuglsang is pronounced "fool-sang" ^.^
RispondiEliminaAnd the laughing: which time?
@Susanne: it was when Andy, Frank and Fabian were presenting their bikes. Andy was stopped during his and I get he was too technical maybe, but I don't know. Fabian said something about an engine, but then again I'm not sure.
RispondiEliminaThanks for the tip on "fool-sang" :-)
Francesca
@Francesca: I'm not sure what Andy says but I think you're right.
RispondiEliminaFabian is asked about his bike and he says it's fast (and they laugh) and then he adds that it doesn't have an engine (and they laugh again). And that's about as far as my German goes :P
I'd like to know what they're saying when Fränk pushes Fabian with his bike!
I think the laughing was when Andy was explaining about the bikes and then he mentioned they had new electronic gear change thingys... and everyone laughed because of chaingate.
RispondiEliminaPS I shamelessly pronounce Voigt, "Voyt" :P
Leela
@ Susanne: Perhaps we could find YouTube videos and say at what minute of it the chronist names the riders. That should make things easier...
RispondiEliminaI really don't know what the problem with my name is :S
Actually, my whole first name is 'Federica', but in foreign lands (especially in Germany) it can become 'Frederrrica' in a surprisingly easy way. How annoying! :S
Luckily my compatriots never have problems with pronouncing my name, but they do have lots of problems when they must write my surname.It is a two word surname and they always write it as if it was just one word, and this is another thing that I find pretty annoying (there are lots of things that can annoy me :P)
Many many thanks you for the Fool-sang tip also from me, Susanne! It is definitely going to solve all my problems with the first 'g' of Jakob's surname! It was high time I learned to pronounce his name correctly ;)
@ Mar: I wrote you again, hopefully this time you got my message :) If you didn't, here are the three Dutch names that cause me the majority of problems: Stamsnijder, Kruijswik and Bauke Mollema. This latter surname seems almost Italian, but when Marleen said that non-Dutch people pronounce it in a very funny way, I've started to ask myself what its correct pronounciaton is :P
@ Francesca: the pronounciation issue seems to interest everyone, I've never had so much comments about a single post!
The presentation was very Cirque de Soleil indeed (I haven't forgotten the zebra guy yet ;) and I agree with you about the fact that it was a bit too long.
I didn't understand anything of French, just English, German and Italian ('Che bel ragazzo!'). I definitely need to study French this summer, I can't put it off anymore ;)
Jakob, who doesn't like him?
I'm also surprised (and actually a bit shocked) at Mollema, Gesink and Boom giving problems too. Marleen's comment is making me question my way of pronouncing every single Dutch name ;P
Oh, and good luck for your exams!
PS: Sorry but I don't know how to stop the 'Eisen Andy Andy Andy' thing. Actually, yesterday evening it caused me some problems too!!
@ Susanne, Leela, Francesca: Isn't Andy talking Luxembourgian as he talks about his bike? I heard him saying 'tiptop', which is a Luxembourgian word... However I think that Leela's right about what made them laugh :)
And also Susanne is right about why Fabian laughed while talking about his bike :)
I couldn't understand what caused Fabian to laugh again at the end of his speech, but I think I understood why Frank pushed Fabian with his bike. The interviewer had asked him something about how he feels about riding with the Schleck brothers again, so Frank pushed Fabian with his bike as if he wanted to say: 'Pay attention to what you say!'. The funny thing is that then Fabian asked the interviewer whether he could go outside to give him the answer to the question, as if he was afraid of the brothers' reaction!
What a group of lovely, funny guys :)
Ha, ha, we are just spaming you with comments! xD
RispondiEliminaYes, Andy is speaking Luxembourgian. Fabian is speaking German, which is why I got some of that. I was pleasantly surprised when I realised how much German I understood! And because I speak French I was even able to guess some of the Luxembourgian (very little :P) I hadn't expected to understand much but I actually understood quite a lot (not the Italian, though. All I ever learned in Italian was how to order ice cream xD)
Are there any names in particular that we need to know how to pronounce?
I surprisingly understood some German parts too, I didn't expect that! And I understood some Luxembourgish words too, although the most of the times I couldn't actually give a meaning to what I was hearing.
RispondiEliminaThey didn't speak a lot of Italian, the interviewer just said: 'Ciao, come stai?' (hi, how are you?) and 'Che bel ragazzo' (what a handsome boy!) to Bennati (and I agree with the interviewer! ;)
Oh, ice cream! 'Vorrei fragola e cioccolato per favore!' (ok, sorry for that... I'm getting carried away by my own mother tongue!)
Talking about Italian names, I think that one of the most tricky is probably Petacchi. If it was German, it would probably be written as 'Petakki' (or something similar).
Then there is Riccò (with the stress on the last 'o' and the double 'c', otherwise it sounds like 'rico', which means 'rich' in Spanish). Pozzato instead has a double 'z' and the stress goes on the 'a'.
Right now I can't think of any other difficult Italian name, but if you have some questions, feel free to ask them!
@Susanne, Leela, Fede: Thanks girls for making me understand what they found so amusing, also Frank's almost Barredo moment with Fabian. I hope they will always have fun together.
RispondiEliminaI thought tiptop was English, what does it mean in Luxembourgish?
An Italian name both difficult and up-to-date is Pellizzotti: stress on the "o" and the "l", "z" and "t" are very strong.
Francesca
@Susanne
RispondiEliminaI've always pronounced Jakob's surname as "fool-sang", but because the first "g" sound gets swallowed by my American accent, not because I knew that was the correct way. Glad to hear I wasn't wrong.
@Francesca
I too thought "tiptop" was English... And I've just realized that I can "hear" in my head how is Pellizzotti supposed to come out, but I can't say it for the life of me.
I didn't understand any German part of the presentation. Maybe I should learn at least basic German.
Cristin
@Francesca: I think "tiptop" is the same as in English. We use it in Danish as well.
RispondiElimina@Cristin: I kind of have the same problem with Italian names. I really have to force my mouth to make the right sounds!
@Fede: I'm not sure I understand how Riccò is supposed to be pronounced - you confused me :P
Oh, and I've got one: Jürgen Van Den Broeck - how is Broeck pronounced?
People always choose familiar things and average German is used to name Friederike...
RispondiEliminaAbout pronunciation
If someone can't sleep because doesn't know how to pronounce Sylwester Szmyd or Przemysław Niemiec ;)there is a good solution. To my big surprise google translator can read aloud in Polish! Almost perfectly... But you have to write name using Polish letters. And I don't know why but sometimes it simply doesn't work I mean reads only half word, but when you mix words then it's good again. So have fun!
Google Translate does indeed read out loud! But it's wrong so many times.. I won't trust it.
RispondiEliminaSusanne, I can help you with Broeck ;) I'll add it to my list..
I personally have most problems with the Italians.. Chicchi?! I always read that as Chicky. I never even tried to get it out of my mouth...
I thought Frank hit Fabian with his bike because Fabian was asked which of the brothers was the bigger joker ;)
RispondiEliminaLeela
@Mar: Chicchi sounds like the word "kick", but with the last syllable strong, something like "kickky".
RispondiEliminaFrancesca
Google Translate pronounces Danish names correctly - at least the names I tried - so you can trust that, I believe.
RispondiElimina@Mar: Thanks ^.^ I thought I said it right until a Danish journalist said it in a different way last night and that really confused me :P
@ Francesca: Lol at the 'Frank's almost Barredo moment' ;)
RispondiEliminatiptop is Luxembourgian for 'perfect', but I didn't know it was also an English (and a Danish) word!
@ Cristin: If you want, here's a vid with Pellizotti's correct pronounciation: http://video.gazzetta.it/ciclismo-franco-pellizotti/4e99e29a-786f-11de-a581-00144f02aabc . There's a spot and then the journalist says: 'Al microfono della Gazzetta dello Sport, Franco Pellizotti'.
@ Susanne: To say Riccò correctly, just imagine to say 'Rick' and then add an o. Then put the stress on the 'o'. If you try writing it in Google Translater (great discovery, thank you Ania!!) it comes out right. Otherwise, you have the correct pronounciation of Riccardo Riccò in this YouTube vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KyVikg8X64&feature=related (the journalist says 'Riccardo Riccò' 12 seconds after the beginning of the vid).
Talking about Google-Translater, does it say 'Breschel' and 'Fuglsang' in the correct way? If so, I've just discovered that my way of pronouncing those names has always been pretty wrong :P
@ Ania: thank you for the great discovery of Google Translater! I'm having fun with Polish names right now ;) Unfortunately it doesn't work very well with some Italian names. For example, it doesn't say 'Nibali' and 'Cunego' correctly and the woman who reads has some problems with the Italian 'z'. Btw, it works well with Viganò, Petacchi, Chicchi, Basso and Bennati's names :D
@ Mar: Chicchi is a complicated name indeed, but Google Translater pronounces it very well :) It even pronounces 'Cheula' in the correct way, which is astonishing! (he's not a very famous rider, but every time he rides outside Italy he hears his name pronounced in very strange ways...)
@ Leela: the journalist does say something about Cancellara being the team's clown, but I think his question isn't about that...Is there anyone from Germany who can help us with the translation of that part of the vid? No one? (*puppy eyes*)
@Fede: Google Translate does say Fuglsang right so you can practise :P It says Breschel in a really strange way - probably because Breschel is a very unusual Danish name.
RispondiEliminaThank you very much for the info, Susanne! I was actually a bit skeptical about Google Translate's way of saying 'Breschel', I don't know why but it didn't sound completely right to me.
RispondiEliminaFuglsang, finally I hear the correct pronounciation!! :D
@ Alice: I'm very very sorry Alice, but your comment had ended up in the spam folder by mistake, so none of us could see it in the previous days (stupid spam system, it never works correctly!)
RispondiEliminaAbout Cougar Girl, don't worry: I don't know if the weather in Britain is so good to allow her to work in these days, but I do know that she's fine. Perhaps she'll even come here sometimes to give us some of her witty remarks :)
Alice, Moien! Thank you for your concern, you're all very sweet. I am all right, but have enrolled in Andyholics Anonymous... I'm allowed out of my straightjacket (garment with long sleeves that tie behind the back) for short periods only, and I have to promise to behave myself.
RispondiEliminaThe weather her in Britain is BLEEDING HORRIBLE (that is a technical meteorological term) with rain, rain, rain, no wonder our cycling team (Sky) has to go to other countries to train. This means I have not done much gardening this year, but I am fine, thank you.
Just to repeat it, the Singing Cat now has the full words in Luxemburgisch so we can all learn it, and drive everyone around us mad... it's at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFzHQnAiXiI
I also had an email from a lady who used to teach Frank (when he was at school, of course.) She said his name was just Frank, but when he started becoming well known, he hated the way German and French reporters called him Fronk and Frunk. So he added the umlaut to make them pronounce it Fraaaaank. Which is how he likes it. So now we know.
My word on Fuglsand: I used to say it like "Foogle (to rhyme with Google) Zang" then I found out about not saying the first "g": but, I have just listened to myself saying it, and I don't say "fool-zang", it's more like "foodle-zang" with a very very short "d" sound, almost like "foo'dl-zang". Weird, huh?
No-one has mentioned his first name, but I say Ya'cobb, rather than 'Djay-cobb. (It's hard to write these things out phonetically!) Is that right?
Coug
@ Cougar Girl: Hi Coug! Nice to have you here again :)
RispondiEliminaI've always said Foogle-Zang (or something similar) too, but now I've adopted the 'Fullsang' pronounciation and it sounds much much better (and it's also easier to pronounce :).
I say Ya'cobb too, according to Google that should be the correct pronounciation. Any Dane out there that can confirm whether this pronounciation is right or wrong? No one? Pleeeeeaase?
A phonetical alphabet actually exists, but I don't know whether it'd be useful to use it here. In fact it can look pretty complicated at the beginning, so I think it is much better to listen to a YouTube vid or to Google Translater to know the correct pronounciation of names.
Ha, ha, I'll help you :P Jakob is indeed pronounced ya'cobb and Google Translate is correct.
RispondiEliminaThank you very much, Susanne!
RispondiEliminaNow I feel superior to every Italian chronist because I know the correct pronounciation of Jakob Fuglsang! Mwhahahaha!